I feel bad for Alec Baldwin, amirite?

Don't feel bad. An entire segment of the production team wrote him a letter saying it was the most dangerous and unprofessional set they've worked on and someone will get hurt. He happily let them walk and didn't make the set safer after that. A week later Halyna was killed and Joel was shot. He deserves jail time.

by Emmanuelluettge 1 week ago

He is such a pretentious ass.

by Competitive_Soft 1 week ago

And a phony jackass

by Potential-Towel-7109 1 week ago

And a hypocritical jerk

by One_Influence 1 week ago

Yes.. a pretentious ass but… responsible for an actual death? Just how was he responsible for a loaded gun disguised as a fake gun ?

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Wait do you have more info on that? Seemed like 7 seasons was a good run and they ended on their terms

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Yeah this is nonsense. 30 Rock ended because it was losing viewers. It barely got it's last season, and certainly wasn't shut down because someone couldn't be controlled.

by Competitive-Wash-560 1 week ago

Do you have anything to back that up? I followed the show pretty closely and never heard that.

by Bulky-Purchase 1 week ago

I followed TV ratings around the time 30 Rock was on and it was always talked about as being on the bubble for cancellation but I don't remember ever hearing the reason being that Baldwin was hard to work with. It was because despite being a critical darling and awards magnet, the show just had low viewership.

by New_Picture 1 week ago

Exact same things I read. I have never heard any murmurs that Baldwin was a problem, and Tina Fey has repeatedly been effusive afterwards about him, when she doesn't need to be. Not to mention, he was insanely strong on that show and more than pulled his weight in the cast, which covers a lot of sins.

by Bulky-Purchase 1 week ago

At the very least, the evidence should be brought before a grand jury. He's producing that film. As someone who has been around guns my whole life, I would never EVER tolerate an unsafe set when there are real firearms involved. Furthermore I would never feel comfortable aiming a firearm in someone's direction, movie set or not. Give me a prop gun or one that's been deactivated.

by pfannerstillart 1 week ago

What confuses me is that real ammo ever got put in the gun. Why? For what purpose? The real gun is understandable, but why on earth real ammo? That's the hang up for me.

by jakayla59 1 week ago

why are there even real firearms present

by Anonymous 1 week ago

The Brandon lee was so sad. Didn't they use a bullet without gunpowder or something? And the bullet ejected into the barrel on 1 shot but not cleared and then a regular blank was used. Essentially giving the stuck bullet full power.

by dannie52 1 week ago

I can understand if you want to add realism to a particular scene if you're going to actually shoot the gun, but that should obviously be done under a very controlled setting.

by pfannerstillart 1 week ago

Another question: Why was there live ammunition?

by emmerichtoni 1 week ago

That's why she's going to jail and Baldwin is off the hook. Because there was absolutely no reason to have live ammo on set and that's on her because she wanted to plink between takes.

by pariskihn 1 week ago

That was the reason? Because she wanted to shoot between takes?! That's unbelievably irresponsible for a person in charge of the armory. In my opinion, that's on def on her then

by Commercial-Pilot 1 week ago

Because they were acting in complete disregard of safety. They wanted to have fun and shoot target practice between takes.

by Emmanuelluettge 1 week ago

Generally there are a few different types of guns used as props. Ranging from inert gun shaped objects rarely real functioning guns. To make it most realistic looking, you would use a blank gun. I have no idea if they make blank blackpowder revolvers. A blank would be all the parts of a bullet without the projectile. So in this case a real round of ammunition found its way into the gun. There are normally teams of experts crosschecking to ensure this doesn't happen. They did not have a team of experts. I'd speculate that the low budget may have had an effect on prop choices. Why have 4 or 5 versions of each gun when you can just use one. I can see how being ignorant about guns and the need to point gun things at people behind cameras creates a dangerous situation. Add in dangerous conditions that cause a walkout because he was ignoring safety. Something bad was inevitable. I think the blame lies almost entirely on him. Does that help?

by Framiaugusta 1 week ago

Jail time for what? Im so confused by people who think this

by Anonymous 1 week ago

I think this is fair

by Anonymous 1 week ago

He was the only producer on set. The "weapons manager" is called an armorer and he had the armorer ALSO be the props master. When the fatal shooting occurred, the armorer was acting as prop master so the assistant director acted as armorer and took the firearm to Baldwin. This is breaking protocol and the producer (Baldwin) was okay with it.

by Single_Ad 1 week ago

I agree, but others had complained to him about her being wreckless and allowing the guns to shoot live ammo on off days. The producer in The Crow didn't face charges because it was a freak accident not wreckless.

by Jena90 1 week ago

he employed the armorer and was warned by his crew she was going to get someone killed, that's why he's liable, he had the obligation to investigate and fire her once he was warned if not sooner

by Tracyweber 1 week ago

He's liable from a financial perspective but I seriously doubt he sees any actual jail time over it.

by Kiankertzmann 1 week ago

Wait til you hear about how the gun was firing live ammo in between shoot days (like, just for fun) and how the crew expressed how unsafe the set was and he dismissed their concerns lol

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Wow, guess that answers all my questions. Definitely needs to be charged

by Smithamgreen 1 week ago

Wasn't the same crew out shooting those guns for fun too?

by hzemlak 1 week ago

Right but not necessarily the same people who complained if that's what you mean. Idk too much detail beyond that little summary

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Producers are just investors, they throw money at the project. Thats it. Usually.

by Current_Evening3988 1 week ago

As someone who also worked in film, producers don't do much lol. True about executive producers though. On some sets I might see the producer one time. They mostly handle the business side of things and overall creative direction (which they can do from an office). Some tend to be more involved- usually to the directors chagrin- but I doubt Alec was that.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Oh. My bad.

by Current_Evening3988 1 week ago

He pointed a real gun at someone and pulled the trigger. He shouldn't get a pass on that just because he's an actor.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

I don't think I've ever seen someone who thinks Michael Massey should have been held responsible.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

No because that falls on the armorer and in the Crows case it was a freak thing anyway. I wouldn't hold Baldwin responsible for it were he just the actor who was handed a gun and told "Point here, click there". But since others had complained to him about safety, that's why it falls on him.

by Jena90 1 week ago

Hmm… yep I agree.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Something being commonly done does not make it smart or ethical.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

No it doesn't, but it also does not make them guilty in that sense either when it's the common practice. I mean he was told to point a gun at the cook and shoot in Hunt for Red October too, and IDK how many other films... Were he not producer he should not face charges.

by Jena90 1 week ago

Real guns are regularly used on movie sets with dummy rounds

by Anonymous 1 week ago

And that violates all the basic rules of gun safety.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Which is why there is a trained professional armorer that is responsible for each and every gun on set. I hope this case at the very least does away with using guns and blanks for movies. We can cgi all that in now realistically enough that there is no reason to risk having firearms. People always mock that image of Samuel L Jackson in one of the Marvel movies holding a very obvious prop gun with red dots on it for CGI reference, but it's so much safer than having a real gun on set.

by Think-Hair 1 week ago

As a gun owner I agree, but we are in a pickle because we like our Rambo and Matrix shoot em up movies too. It's his fault because he ran a sloppy set, her fault more for letting them go shoot real rounds from it in the first place. Which people complained about and he did nothing. Real ammo should not have been ANYWHERE near that set though.

by Jena90 1 week ago

Yeah the armorer. 18 months. That will be it

by Extreme-Towel 1 week ago

Given that he was warned by multiple people how dangerous and unprofessional his set was, he absolutely deserves to be held accountable for what happened. I don't feel bad for him at all. He was wilfully negligent.

by Rohanevert 1 week ago

This. Plus the first rule of firearms is don't point the firearm in an unsafe direction. If he wasn't being an idiot, everything else could have gone wrong, and Halyna Hutchins would be alive.

by Bonnierussel 1 week ago

He's clearly not anti gun when it comes to getting paid.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Baldwin the actor is innocent and shouldn't be punished for the negligence. However, Baldwin the producer should be

by FlatAnimal9066 1 week ago

And he skated along with liar assistant director.

by hzemlak 1 week ago

100% This is what most people are missing!

by Emmanuelluettge 1 week ago

I would agree IF they included all the producers, but I don't think they can blame just him. I think it should be a civil case against the producers. The fault lies with Hannah.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

He was the only producer on set. He got complaints from crew on set of accidental misfires and unsafe practices with firearms; he ignored the complaints. He witnessed proper protocol being broken as far as firearm safety is concerned and he okayed those practices.

by Single_Ad 1 week ago

Do you think all like 30 producers should be held to equal account or just Baldwin?

by JollyAardvark7049 1 week ago

He's obviously lying about some facts, if you're holding a gun it doesn't just "go off" if you're not pulling the trigger, which makes me lose any sympathy for him. He's hiding things in order to cover his own ass.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Feel bad? He's a grade a piece of garbage. Ever heard the voicemail he left his daughter when she was like 12/13? Google that

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Okay, he can be the biggest pos on the planet, it's not really relevant to whether he should be considered guilty of murder.

by MaintenanceDear 1 week ago

There should never have been live ammo on the set

by cthiel 1 week ago

Being "anti-gun" in a not an excuse for not following basic firearm safety

by Anonymous 1 week ago

If anything, you need to put your money where your mouth is.

by Kind-Layer-2725 1 week ago

You also don't aim your guns on set at anyone, you aim them so from the camera it looks like you are but you never actually point it at the other actor. Or at least Iv been told this by friends who went to film school.

by SuitableTone1384 1 week ago

What about the scenes where they put the gun in someones mouth?

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Good point, I'd guess something that's not even a firearm. Same w like point blank scenes w guns. I would think it would be something confirmed to be decommissioned so it doesn't even have the ability to fire.

by SuitableTone1384 1 week ago

That's why there is a thing called unintentional manslaughter.

by Existing_Mark_2223 1 week ago

People are conflating "he's a prick" with "this was his fault".

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Its not the politics. Its his gross blatant disregard for basic firearm safety, OF WHICH I must remind you that is one of the talking points of anti gun politics. So he's basically an idiotic hypocrite. Also, the way how he treated his staff (when he shot her) makes it very hard to empathize with him, given how many of us probably have been on the receiving end of similar abusive behavior from our bosses or uppity customers. Nobody means to kill someone in these situations. But I think for sure, Alec Baldwin fully intended to abuse his power, position and authority over the victim, and its just bad luck (or inevitability) that the gun discharged in the middle of that. Its kind of like saying the drunk driver never intended to kill anyone, but maybe he shouldnt have drove when he's drunk.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Yeah. The thing is, he has long had the reputation for being a short-tempered, hyper-demanding, asshole. That was the tone of the set he ran, at least from what came out during HGR's trial (and as much as I felt that she deserved what she got, I also agree that the constant drive to rush-rush-rush contributed to the safety sloppiness that resulted in this). He's been anti-gun, but in a morality police type of way. And most morality police are hypocrites.

by Kind-Layer-2725 1 week ago

A lot of people also don't know Alec Baldwin personally, or about his reputation. We did find out when this case started. So yeah, most of us just bashing him for that. Unlikable people gonna get hated no matter what.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Really? I remember ages ago when his call to then- 11 yo Ireland leaked. No decent human being talks/screams at a preteen girl like that. Least of all of she's his kid.

by Kind-Layer-2725 1 week ago

Alec Baldwin is a hypocritical Hollywood asshole who thinks he's better than everyone else.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

I don't, toy or prop, u don't point a gun and pull the trigger... Especially when not shooting a scene... Treat every gun like it's loaded. 😑

by Anonymous 1 week ago

I don't understand why movies don't use fake guns just in general

by Anonymous 1 week ago

He pointed a loaded firearm at someone and pulled the trigger. They weren't even filming at the time. That's reckless, dangerous, and against the first rule of firearm safety that everyone knows. When you're an anti gun person, hypocritically making millions of dollars with guns, and you blatantly break the rules, you're going to have consequences.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

It's not that he meant to, it's that he was grossly negligent on his own production and even allowed the crew to shoot their movie guns on their free time. Do you see an issue using the same guns to target shoot and then 20 minutes later using them to film?

by Anonymous 1 week ago

No matter what anyone else did or didn't do, someone died because he was careless and negligent

by Illustrious_Pin9844 1 week ago

He wasn't the only person responsible for that woman's death, but he's definitely responsible. Sounds like he ran a sloppy movie set, and I don't buy the whole "he's an actor, this is why they hired an armorer" excuse. An adult holding a gun is responsible for knowing its condition and operating it safely. There is no other context in which someone would get a pass for negligent homicide because someone told them the gun is safe and they didn't know enough to check themselves.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Am I nuts for wondering why they don't just use fake guns? Totally avoidable situation for decades and I just don't understand it.

by Shot_Addition 1 week ago

Baldwin cut costs and hired someone without enough experience to do a safety job. He is complicit.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Just like in other industries. It is sad all the way around.

by Local_Acanthaceae 1 week ago

I mean its definitely his fault. He pointed it at someone(real one broken of gun safety) and pulled the trigger. For someone anti-gun he sure didn't practiced his beliefs. You don't point a gun at someone fake or not

by Anonymous 1 week ago

You treat a gun as if it's loaded prop or not

by Vegetable_Ebb9266 1 week ago

It would be impossible to make action movies if you couldn't even point a prop gun at someone. The problem here is they were using a real gun. Why? They make fakes.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Exactly

by Anonymous 1 week ago

The guy is an idiot. Accident or not.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Yeah normally people who are "anti gun" have zero idea how guns actually work and how to handle them. That's how this whole situation happened and now he wants to blame the gun rather than himself being an idiot

by Visual-Ad 1 week ago

Negligent discharges don't care if you didn't mean to do it unfortunately , the circumstances are also terrible. Live rounds on a movie set… such a preventable tragedy.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

I feel the same way about Alec Baldwin like I feel about drunk drivers. They didn't get in the car to kill but they got in the car knowing they might.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

You don't know all the details or his intentions. Don't assume.

by lamontoconnell 1 week ago

I have some amount of empathy for him as a human being - I'm sure pulling the trigger that kills someone is traumatic no matter the circumstances, and I hope he's able to get help. But it was his own irresponsibility and disregard for the safety of the people under him that ultimately lead to this death, and he deserves to be held accountable.

by nettierippin 1 week ago

The most anti gun people also tend to be the least educated on gun safety.

by Swiftlayne 1 week ago

He ran a sloppy movie set and, big surprise, didn't know how to properly operate a firearm. There should've been no way for a love round to get into that gun. There was no reason that he should have been waving a cocked single action around (I know this because a single action gun will not allow the trigger to be pulled unless cocked) He is a reckless man and deserves what's coming. Especially for doing all of this in tandem with having his ignorant stance on firearms.

by Connieschulist 1 week ago

You haven't heard the leaked voicemail he left his daughter for failing to check in. He berates a 12 year old.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Anti gun while running his mouth, but I bet there is one stored in his home. They all lie about it. They can't chance getting canceled.

by Cultural_Guard1859 1 week ago

I have no sympathy for anyone treating a lethal weapon like a toy, Wasn't he told that it was a prop gun, making it basically a toy?

by Anonymous 1 week ago

' If the scene called for him to put the gun against his head and pull the trigger, do you think he would have done that without checking the rounds in the pistol?' calls for speculation your honour People do stupid things and die because of it all the time. He might be regarded as lucky the scene didn't call for that.

by Classic-Handle 1 week ago

He pointed a gun at someone and pulled the trigger. This violates every rule of gun safety, in or out of the film industry. The bulk of the blame is on the armorer, but Alec gets his fair share as well.

by grosenbaum 1 week ago

Yeah when they make war movies they violate grenade safety because they throw the grenade at a group of people. Movies literally have scripted moments where the actor hold a gun against someone's head. That's a violation of gun safety. That's why they aren't supposed to be actual guns with live ammo in them. Blaming the actor for this would be like blaming Cillian Murphy if an actual atomic bomb exploded at the end of Oppenheimer. 100% armorer fault, zero fault actor.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

He was not filming a scene. He was not supposed to point the gun at the AD. He was not supposed to pull the trigger. Gun safety even with empty guns has specific safety requirements to avoid accidents. He violated those requirements. I think he will get off, but he is not without fault.

by grosenbaum 1 week ago

Yeah I don't know why this isn't common sense to these people.

by Serious-Ad8534 1 week ago

Remind me again which executive producer on this movie decided to skip the mandatory gun training because he was talking on the phone instead? I'll give you a hint: he recently committed involuntary manslaughter. Remind me what movie set gun safety protocol is? You know, right? You must because you're so extremely confident in the things you said.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

If Cillian Murphy was a producer at the time the nuke went off on set, it would be hard to see how he wouldn't be responsible.

by Kind-Layer-2725 1 week ago

He pointed a gun at someone and pulled the trigger. This violates every rule of gun safety, in or out of the film industry. The bulk of the blame is on the armorer, but Alec gets his fair share as well. Armorer is the one responsible to source a prop, make sure it safe for use or it's a non-firing prop. Actor only has the responsibility of playing out the scene, (yes that even means 'violating' gun rules)  Armorer should be the one at fault if a mishap happens with the prop THEY sourced (be that a non-firing prop, or a secured and safety checked real weapon prop)

by Anonymous 1 week ago

There shouldn't have been real guns on set.

by hzemlak 1 week ago

Real guns are required to shoot real blanks. It is not a problem if rules are followed. They have done it this way for a hundred years including all those old westerns and war movies. This is the first incident of it's kind because safety rules were not followed by multiple people.

by grosenbaum 1 week ago

Did you grow up under power lines as a kid?

by bgoyette 1 week ago

His actions lead to the death of another person, even if it was an accident and not the intent.

by wava21 1 week ago

I want to feel bad and kinda do, but the whole pointing a gun at someone and pulling the trigger while not filming the scene was reckless and stupid. Obviously not murder but manslaughter makes sense from a legal standpoint. The armorer needs to be held accountable as well more than anyone I believe. They need to lose their career / license because they can't be trusted to do their job right which resulted in someone dying.

by Ok_Razzmatazz_9475 1 week ago

It's 100%his fault, Bro.

by Ok-Factor 1 week ago

The man pointed a gun at people and pulled the trigger. The basic rules of gun safety, everyone knows, you don't point a gun at anything you don't intend to shoot. The people who Baldwin despise , law abiding gun owners, NRA members all know this.

by marquardtgarret 1 week ago

I've seen lots of movies where they hold a gun directly against someones head.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Maybe if he wasn't so anti gun he would have BASIC firearm safety knowledge. The fact he's so anti gun is probably what killed that poor woman. Who points a gun at someone and pulls the trigger ? A murderer. That's who

by Anonymous 1 week ago

I saw a movie where guy held a gun against someones head and pulled the trigger and it just *clicked* because it was out of ammo, because that's what the script said.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Alec Baldwin is not going to prison or jail. They already sentenced the Armorer. That will be enough prison. You just watch

by Extreme-Towel 1 week ago

The vast majority of gun owners he vilified take firearm safety very seriously. The irony is he's the one who should have been kept away from anything to do with firearms. He was negligent organizing the production, choosing the armorer, supervising the operation, and finally negligent with a firearm in his hand. It's exactly like if he's spent decades trying to ban alcohol, only to throw a raging party full of booze, and then run over someone while driving drunk home. Sure he didn't mean to kill anyone. People who make a series of poor choices rarely mean to kill the people they do kill. His holier than thou attitude on guns, how he knows what's best for everyone, is what really makes this hit hard.

by Visual_Table 1 week ago

But his gun stance does make this funnier.

by According_Wallaby 1 week ago

Some googling suggests that the maximum sentence he could receive is 18 months which isn't really that long. That's quite short for needlessly killing someone. So I wouldn't feel bad for him.

by Free-Letterhead 1 week ago

I'd you're anti gun, than don't make movies using them.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

There's multiple people responsible, including Alex. It doesn't matter if even a gun is fake you should never point it out another person. It's basic safety that Hollywood does not teach actors.

by Pleasant_Tank_2715 1 week ago

Your moms Alec Baldwin

by Glum-Let-7115 1 week ago

I'd feel bad for him if he wasn't a producer, and wasn't aware of the egregious safety conditions. He was the most powerful person on that set. He had the means to prevent what happened and he didn't. It's also hard to feel bad when he absolutely refuses to own up to his mistake. No the gun didn't magically go off, he pulled the trigger.

by wdickinson 1 week ago

I think the prosecution should have investigated the guy who was supposed to get shot. I think there's a story there, that someone wanted him dead at AB's hands.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

100%. It's ridiculous.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

I feel sorry for him having to know he won't see most of his kids into adulthood.

by Garrison00 1 week ago

I would have agreed with you had it not been for his attempts to clear his name in interviews before the body was even cold. Revealed to the world the kind of man he really is…

by Lower_Gazelle 1 week ago

No one has mentioned it yet, but Alec's wife is from Spain.

by keeblermireya 1 week ago

Have to agree with some of this. But what justice is there to be served. It was an accident. The responsible party took the fall. Move on people. If Baldwin didn't do such a damn good job impersonating Trump on SNL this whole thing would be long behind everyone.

by KnowledgeEither 1 week ago

Hope his ass gets time.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

I don't feel bad for him. He's renowned for being an unpleasant person. He intentionally pointed a firearm at someone. He intentionally pulled the trigger. The consequences are his responsibility and he's getting lighter than he deserves.

by Jacobsonrossie 1 week ago

Can someone explain to me why it was loaded in the first place? Why would they ever need live ammo on a movie set.

by Outside-Struggle 1 week ago

I don't.

by Electrical-Luck 1 week ago

I just wanna know, who the hell bought real ammo? I understand blanks get used, but who bought actual rounds? They are to blame. Alec was simply just an actor in the movie to my knowledge

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Lol, I see what you did there. "Has put a bigger target on him"

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Negligent Homocide is a crime.

by Majestic-Set-1842 1 week ago

I have no sympathy for him, he killed someone and he should be behind bars for it

by Rough_Ad 1 week ago

Im out of the loop, what has transpired?

by hilllgarfield 1 week ago

He also has been intimidating key witnesses from his trial to be in a documentary he was trying to film about the shooting. Shows no remorse.

by Sylvia97 1 week ago

Did he check the firearm he was handed? No.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Totally agree

by Orville93 1 week ago

He is the kind of person that wishes ILL on anyone that doesn't agree with him. He deserves no sympathy.

by Immediate-Pie 1 week ago

meh, he was careless, actions (and inactions) have consequences, even without intentions

by Alternative-End-8634 1 week ago