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No one should ever claim oneself as unbiased. amirite?
by Anonymous1 week ago
"I'm not biased, everyone I agree with says so!" People think they're the pinnacle of logic without realizing they're not immune to biased thinking. Myself included.
by Anonymous1 week ago
being self aware and quickly admitting they're wrong goes a LONG way for me. thank you.
by Anonymous1 week ago
Also people are acting like the accusation of bias is a moral failing when really it's just a normal thing that everyone has. I one perfectly dissects their bias but it's important to realize it's there when you're trying to communicate or understand something.
by Anonymous1 week ago
In what sense may I ask?
by Anonymous1 week ago
Unbiased makes more sense in context. Such as if two people are having a scuffle, and a third unrelated person comes in and tries to reason with them, that would be an unbiased person in relation to the argument as they aren't affiliated with any singular person in the disagreement.
by Lebsacklowell1 week ago
But that third person is bringing with them their own experiences, values, and ideologies that surely makes them biased.
by Anonymous1 week ago
The problem is that unless the third-party is blinded (in the same manner that blinding occurs in research studied) they will almost certainly immediately become biased upon becoming involved as an arbiter. I'd go as far as to say that an individual would need to be 'objectively' unbiased (which as you point out, is impossible) to avoid becoming contextually biased in such a scenario. I don't believe there's any practical way for any person to mediate an argument free from bias. They'd almost certainly develop some sort of personal preference toward one of the parties.
by Full-Many1 week ago
Can you be biased presenting unbiased facts? If I say a mile is 5,280 feet, where is my bias in that?
by Anonymous1 week ago
No. The point (I think) is not that everything you say is biased. It's that everybody is biased to some degree. But yeah facts are facts. I guess your bias would determine which facts you pick out to make a case
by Secure-Ad9461 week ago
Well you obviously have a bias against the metric system.
by Anonymous1 week ago
If I don't know what the metric system is, can I still be biased against it?
by Anonymous1 week ago
Yes, in that case you would be biased for the system you know and against all the systems you don't know.
by Anonymous1 week ago
Are you inherently biased against the system of measurement I made up that you don't know?
by Anonymous1 week ago
Personally, I'm biased for it
by Anonymous1 week ago
As the statistician in the room I have to say yes you can be. There was a sports columnist years ago, Matthew Berry, who would point out that he could convince you *any player* was the best player with cold hard facts. And he could. He would list statistics from Player A and Player B, making Player A look so much better than Player B, but then would reveal who they were. 9 times out of 10, Player B was objectively a better player, but he would cherry pick statistics and facts that made A look good and B look bad. The saying goes: "There are lies, damn lies, and statistics." This is incredibly true, and very easy to get caught up in, even being aware of it. Always beware "cherry picking" for example, ESPECIALLY if it's about something you already believe. Question everything, where the data came from, etc. I still fail at this myself despite being hyper aware of it. TLDR: Facts can be true and still lie to you at the same time
by Anonymous1 week ago
I think "convince" is the operative word right there. Not sure how pointing out that Ohtani has hit 11 HR this season could be biased.
by Anonymous1 week ago
Sure if you are just randomly stating that Ohtani has 11 HR, but why are you telling me that? Tryna sell me an Ohtani Jersey? 😉
by Anonymous1 week ago
you dont usually say "in this discussion of length, I am completely unbiased, and dare I say a mile is 5280 feet" but what I'm trying to say here is that some people have a really hard time why others doesn't get something. some people put their opinion up there at the same place with plain mathematics and stuff. and then get angry when others try to debunk, or make discourse about that thing.
by Anonymous1 week ago
I hate to do this but.... could there be bias in you assuming that's the case?
by Anonymous1 week ago
yeah of course. I've omitted saying "in my opinion" so it may look like I'm absolute about this but I know it may not be. but would you really disagree that those people exist?
by Anonymous1 week ago
Regardless, that doesn't change the fact that a mile is 5,280 feet.
by Anonymous1 week ago
Yeah I'm not saying that.
by Anonymous1 week ago
Choosing what fact to present is bias
by Anonymous1 week ago
If I'm biased about saying a mile is 5,280 feet, does that mean it's not 5,280 feet?
by Anonymous1 week ago
Right but that demonstrates an inclination. There's no inclination in stating a simple fact.
by Anonymous1 week ago
Fair point
by Anonymous1 week ago
Okay, let's say they didn't offer up the fact. Let's say I asked them how many feet is in a mile, and then he gave the fact. Now where is the bias?
by Anonymous1 week ago
Lets get wild with it. If I show the color red to you, a pistol shrimp, and a dog. I'm probably going to get 3 different answers. When you say red, is it bias or inclination that led you that answer? I sure as hell don't know and its kind of crazy saying that any agreeable observation is biased either to human physiology or communication, but hey that's where we are I guess. So yeah I guess saying 5,280 feet is a mile is biased to agreed upon human communication.
by Anonymous1 week ago
I just don't understand how stating a simple fact can be biased. If I say "I own an iPhone", how is that biased? What's the inclination?
by Anonymous1 week ago
Because you can pick and choose ‘simple facts' and omit others to convey a narrative, for example you chose to say ‘there's 5280 feet in a mile' to convey your opinion that you can be unbiased
by Anonymous1 week ago
Right, so we can claim our facts are unbiased and I can be unbiased in presenting them. If I say "this is the deed to my house", where is the inclination? What bias am I showing by pointing that out?
by Anonymous1 week ago
It is biased in the sense that you have used that fact to prove you disposition that that is indeed the deed to your house, while someone trying to prove the opposite could omit that But we're arguing about semantics here, the point is facts can be weaponised to instill an agenda
by Anonymous1 week ago
No no, I'm not proving anything. I'm just pointing to a piece of paper and saying "that is the deed to my house". Where is the inclination? We can go even dumber. If you and I are walking outside and I say "that is a tree". Where is my biased inclination?
by Anonymous1 week ago
And you are pointing to that deed because you believe that it is the deed to your house
by Anonymous1 week ago
well is it actually a deed to a hospital? no if it says deed to that specific house, it's a fact and not biased :)
by Elenornicolas1 week ago
If you have to ask, then you don't know. If you don't know, there's no bias.
by Anonymous1 week ago
Of course facts can be presented in a biased way. Someone could have biased reasons for bringing a fact up at the particular time that they did, or for bringing up one fact and not another. You can wrangle a bias into anything.
by Veumrosemary1 week ago
Everyone has biases. They are an unconscious feature of our preferences. However, there is a respectable and recognizable level of impartiality that is required to act in good-faith- this is predicated on being not only self aware, but having integrity. So, if someone is acting on their biases, they are perhaps lacking in those areas, and it's not a good look.
by Unable_Process1 week ago
So well said!
by kautzermekhi1 week ago
Thanks. Hope it made sense.
by Unable_Process1 week ago
I agree. In some situations what one person experience can be very different to what others experience. And using that experience to make a point can make for some easy bias. This is usually why I say "In my opinion" when discussing something
by Anonymous1 week ago
thank you. this is like the biggest thing that makes me avoid engaging with someone.
by Anonymous1 week ago
I claim myself as biased to get out of Jury duty.
by Anonymous1 week ago
I'm unbiased tho
by Anonymous1 week ago
People don't understand that a very few people, who don't fall for propaganda ever, are unbiased. unbiased as in they objectively think that a particular thing is right, irrespective of others opinion. Being objective in 100% of things is impossible, but for most of the things? It is. You can tell me whatever politician told this or whatever celebrity told that, I'll not believe you nor will I make a judgement on that based on your own opinion. If you want to know, I'll research about it then give the objective answer. Anyone is welcome to try me. Things on which it is impossible to be objective, I'll tell you beforehand.
by One_Philosopher56401 week ago
Depends on if you mean completely unbias on every opinion ever, or just being unbias on certain opinions. I think the latter is possible but not the former
by Feisty_Talk1 week ago
There really is no such thing as an "objective" POV. We all think we're logical, reasonable and rational but we all have our biases, prejudices and limited understandings.
by MaleficentDinner1 week ago
Yes and no. Nobody is unbiased but that's still doesn't mean it's not a noble goal even when it's not entirely possible.
by Anonymous1 week ago
yeah I think reaching for an ideal is a beautiful thing but claiming that is another thing really.
by Anonymous1 week ago
Everyone thinks their beliefs are 100% fact based and rational, and it's the other side who are a bunch of biased idiots. It takes a lot of self awareness to admit we are all biased, like you said.
by CompetitiveDealer1 week ago
I agree. There is no question of whether or not someone has biases. We all do, based on our personal experiences and knowledge. The question is how severe are the biases and how conscious they are.
by Walkercoty1 week ago
It's basically poisoning the well in reverse. Not a very meaningful claim.
by Anonymous1 week ago
I think a person can be unbiased in very specific situations but generally I would agree with you
by Head-Medicine1 week ago
Everyone has bias. Everyone, whether they want to admit it or not.
by alisharodriguez1 week ago
It is biologically impossible to be absolutely unbiased.
by Anonymous1 week ago
I think you dont like people who think based on 1st principals, maybe you are more of a flow guy, good for you. I think some people are just sort of indifferent to others opinions. Doesnt really matter who is biased, who is not. I mean sure its all fun when its everyday conversation. For some, being unbiased is more important than building some meaning.
by tracefritsch1 week ago
I'm biased but not where I am always on one side. Like usa politics I wouldn't say I'm completely on the left cause I don't believe in segregation. But I'm not completely on the right because I don't believe in segregation
by Jessyca881 week ago
If you are genuinely unbiased, it probably means you don't have the experience to judge the situation.
by roberto421 week ago
Erm actually, you'll find I am completely unbiased because I have defined unbiased as agreeing with me.
by Anonymous1 week ago
As my man Garfield famously said: "You are not immune to propaganda".
by Anonymous1 week ago
I would never say I'm unbiased, ofc I have biases. However I would say I'm able to distinguish between facts and opinions and admit when I'm wrong a lot more than many.
by janaschmidt1 week ago
No such thing as an unbiased opinion.
by Sea_Help69951 week ago
Every thief thinks everyone steals, every liar thinks everyone lies and every biased person thinks everyone is biased. I guess technically you can say everyone is biased, but some people are biased with the truth.
by Anonymous1 week ago
Nobody can be completely unbiased. That's why scientists incorporated the peer review procedure. Bias can only be minimised. Not eliminated.
by makenna591 week ago
People don't create meticulous ideas, they just lack retrospect and don't truly challenge their own ideas. It's not that their ideas make sense to them, it's that they never ask why doesn't the idea make sense. People become truly unbiased when they challenge their own ideas as if it came from their sworn enemy. Prove your own ideas beyond any doubt. Even then, humans are not capable of keeping this up. So I do agree with what you said of having to recognize that we are biased, but I say go beyond this. You can still declare that you have perfected some of your own opinion, but say specifically if there is an area that is "weird" because there is some biases you cannot disperse. But this is still tough because once again the apathetic assholes who don't challenge their own ideas, will claim to be unbiased. So it will be hard to figure out who is truly unbiased, until you start listening to their evidence for their ideas, if they provide any. If they don't you know they're fake.
by New-Quarter1 week ago
It's human nature to be biased. Bias was a key component of our early survival. We had to be biased against things that didn't seem safe to eat, in case they weren't, for example. You can try to check yourself, but I don't believe it's possible to be truly and completely unbiased.
by Sandra051 week ago
Well you would say that
by Intrepid-Analyst-4221 week ago
You can know for sure you are biased but never the reverse
by Edythebatz1 week ago
Everyone's biased.
by Conscious_Manner33981 week ago
I look at everything with logic. I am literally unbiased.
by Full_Pain20381 week ago
education is a very necessary bias though, and a very valid one in order to learn
by xwilkinson1 week ago
I don't think there's anything wrong with having a bias on certain things. I'm not gonna hire someone to do my accounting who has a criminal record for theft or fraud. Yes I have a bias because of your past so I'm not going to risk trusting you with my money. This doesn't mean I still can't be a victim of fraud with the person without a criminal record but I'll take my chances with this decision. I most likely would hire a woman over a man to be a nanny for my kids. I'm not saying this is fool proof but I would trust a woman over a man to look after my kids.
by Anonymous1 week ago
I agree, I think the only way to be "unbiased" is to have no personal stake in the argument. Or several third parties come to a conclusion, based of facts and not stories
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